1.
    *Moogy <http://www.tsukuru.info/>*
    April 4th, 2011 - 22:45 <#comment-1615>

    feel free to explain tsui no sora II without broaching philosophical
    conceits for me

 2.
    *Ixrec <http://amaterasu.is.moelicious.be/forums/index.php>*
    April 4th, 2011 - 23:12 <#comment-1616>

    Hence the “almost”. It’s only for maybe a minute or two and
    constitutes the only remotely serious philosophy in the game.

 3.
    *Anon*
    April 5th, 2011 - 00:10 <#comment-1618>

    *Grabs some popcorn*

 4.
    *Leo*
    April 5th, 2011 - 03:57 <#comment-1619>

    You really ctrl-skipped parts of Subahibi? Wow.

 5.
    *Derr Herpus*
    April 5th, 2011 - 07:14 <#comment-1620>

    Ixrec, I am pride.

 6.
    *meisnewbie*
    April 6th, 2011 - 04:33 <#comment-1638>

    Ixrec has made ground breaking advances in the art of literary
    criticism. Apparently you don’t need to know anything about a
    reference to know that the reference is irrelevant to the themes of
    the game. Much like how because the word bible doesn’t pop up in
    Dante’s inferno every other line that it must be tangentially related!!1

    What’s better, I have been taught that two minutes in any work are
    also completely interchangeable with any two minutes. Alas! If only
    there were 5000 hours of socrates dry-humping plato slice of life
    scenes instead of two minutes thematically tying the game up.

 7.
    *Ixrec <http://amaterasu.is.moelicious.be/forums/index.php>*
    April 6th, 2011 - 11:11 <#comment-1644>

    Where did you get the impression I didn’t read any of the stuff it
    referenced?

    Also, of course they’re relevant to the themes, but knowing any of
    them yourself is not necessary to understand their relevance because
    they’re never plot critical and the thematic meaning is thoroughly
    explained in-game anyway.

 8.
    *Kaisos*
    April 6th, 2011 - 15:20 <#comment-1645>

    So I guess this means you won’t be translating it?

 9.
    *Ixrec <http://amaterasu.is.moelicious.be/forums/index.php>*
    April 6th, 2011 - 18:03 <#comment-1646>

    What it means is it’s not as high a priority for me to translate as
    everyone hoped it would be. It was never going to happen in the near
    future anyway. Whether I do get to it depends on a lot of other
    things, but given there’s only 10 or so games on my want-to-tl list
    (those which scored 8-10 and haven’t been/aren’t being tled), it
    seems likely I’ll get to this one eventually.

    I also feel like mentioning that the general retardation people have
    shown when discussing this game is not improving its odds.

10.
    *meisnewbie*
    April 7th, 2011 - 00:35 <#comment-1649>

    Well considering that you yourself are patient zero, it’s a
    relatively simple to see how this epidemic of brain damage has
    suffused your surroundings with a puke green hue of durr.

    Especially considering that my original objection wasn’t predicated
    upon your COMPLETE ignorance of all the materials involved; but on
    your INcomplete KNOWLEDGE. If you would like to claim that you’ve
    read and have a relatively decent understanding of all referenced
    works, then sure; you have a lot of ground to stand on. But I find
    it extremely difficult to believe you have done so considering how
    dense Wittgenstein’s philosophy is. Also, while SOME of the thematic
    connection is explicated, it’s foolish to say that it isn’t a
    SUBSTANTIALLY incomplete experience to not have contest. Sure you
    can claim that you can understand the surface elements of the plot,
    but that’s similar to reading Dante’s Inferno without understanding
    its relation to the Bible.

    also way to go completely ignoring the point that merely because
    something takes up two minutes of in game reading time doesn’t mean
    that it’s not extremely important to the plot

11.
    *Ixrec <http://amaterasu.is.moelicious.be/forums/index.php>*
    April 7th, 2011 - 00:53 <#comment-1650>

    I had no trouble at all understanding Wittgenstein (I’ve even read
    other philosophy books that discuss him), but basically none of it
    had any direct connection to SubaHibi other than the neat
    quotations. As for the Tsui no Sora II ending, two minutes of
    argument cannot overturn twenty hours of plot without some
    consequences. While the argument was very cool in what it did
    explain, most of the rest of the game’s hinting pointed in the
    complete opposite direction of said argument, and it failed to do
    any more than hint as to a small part of an explanation of the one
    part of the game that still made no sense. Most of the rest of what
    you said didn’t even make sense so I’ll just ignore it.

    Any more of this and I’m going to have to start deleting you for
    flaming and/or being a pretentious dick who thinks you know better
    than me for no other reason than I disagree with you.

12.
    *Moogy <http://www.tsukuru.info/>*
    April 7th, 2011 - 01:15 <#comment-1651>

    >basically none of it had any direct connection to SubaHibi

    Considering SCA-JI himself refers to Subahibi as a story based on 幸
    福に生きよ, you may wish to reread the game until you understand
    what it is about

13.
    *Ixrec <http://amaterasu.is.moelicious.be/forums/index.php>*
    April 7th, 2011 - 01:26 <#comment-1652>

    >other than the neat quotations

    That’s also just a cool quote. Its relevance is obvious given how
    much it got spammed at the end but that single line by itself hardly
    counts as philosophy (so whether it happens to be in the Tractatus
    or not doesn’t matter) nor is it difficult to understand regardless
    of one’s familiarity with Wittgenstein’s work.

    Seriously guys, shut the fuck up, you’re just making yourselves look
    like assholes.

14.
    *Anon*
    April 7th, 2011 - 01:38 <#comment-1654>

    Haha look at these butthurt Subahibi fans

15.
    *Ixrec <http://amaterasu.is.moelicious.be/forums/index.php>*
    April 7th, 2011 - 01:39 <#comment-1655>

    In the interests of full disclosure, I have deleted [1] comment(s)
    under this post.

16.
    *Moogy <http://www.tsukuru.info/>*
    April 7th, 2011 - 01:39 <#comment-1656>

    don’t delete my comments

    http://oreno.imouto.org/post/show/147315

17.
    *anon*
    April 7th, 2011 - 01:40 <#comment-1657>

    In the interest of full disclosure, here is said post:
    http://pastebin.com/gf6ZFAKC